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Linked Discourses 12.26 – Saṁyutta Nikāya 12.26
3. The Ten Powers – 3. Dasabalavagga
SN 12.26 With Upavāṇa – Upavāṇasutta
At Sāvatthī.
Sāvatthiyaṁ viharati.
Then Venerable Upavāṇa went up to the Buddha, bowed, sat down to one side, and said to him:
Atha kho āyasmā upavāṇo yena bhagavā tenupasaṅkami; upasaṅkamitvā bhagavantaṁ abhivādetvā ekamantaṁ nisīdi. Ekamantaṁ nisinno kho āyasmā upavāṇo bhagavantaṁ etadavoca:
“Sir, there are some ascetics and brahmins who declare that suffering is made by oneself.
“Santi pana, bhante, eke samaṇabrāhmaṇā sayaṅkataṁ dukkhaṁ paññapenti.
There are some who declare that suffering is made by another.
Santi pana, bhante, eke samaṇabrāhmaṇā paraṅkataṁ dukkhaṁ paññapenti.
There are some who declare that suffering is made by both oneself and another.
Santi pana, bhante, eke samaṇabrāhmaṇā sayaṅkatañca paraṅkatañca dukkhaṁ paññapenti.
There are some who declare that suffering arises by chance, not made by oneself or another.
Santi pana, bhante, eke samaṇabrāhmaṇā asayaṅkāraṁ aparaṅkāraṁ adhiccasamuppannaṁ dukkhaṁ paññapenti.
What does the Buddha say about this? How does he explain it? How should we answer so as to repeat what the Buddha has said, and not misrepresent him with an untruth? How should we explain in line with his teaching, with no legitimate grounds for rebuke and criticism?”
Idha no, bhante, bhagavā kiṁvādī kimakkhāyī kathaṁ byākaramānā ca mayaṁ vuttavādino ceva bhagavato assāma, na ca bhagavantaṁ abhūtena abbhācikkheyyāma, dhammassa cānudhammaṁ byākareyyāma, na ca koci sahadhammiko vādānupāto gārayhaṁ ṭhānaṁ āgaccheyyā”ti?
“Upavāṇa, I have said that suffering is dependently originated.
“Paṭiccasamuppannaṁ kho, upavāṇa, dukkhaṁ vuttaṁ mayā.
Dependent on what?
Kiṁ paṭicca?
Dependent on contact.
Phassaṁ paṭicca.
Saying this you would repeat what I have said, and not misrepresent me with an untruth. You would explain in line with my teaching, and there would be no legitimate grounds for rebuke and criticism.
Iti vadaṁ vuttavādī ceva me assa, na ca maṁ abhūtena abbhācikkheyya, dhammassa cānudhammaṁ byākareyya, na ca koci sahadhammiko vādānupāto gārayhaṁ ṭhānaṁ āgaccheyya.
In the case of those ascetics and brahmins who declare that suffering is made by oneself, that’s conditioned by contact. …
Tatra, upavāṇa, ye te samaṇabrāhmaṇā sayaṅkataṁ dukkhaṁ paññapenti, tadapi phassapaccayā.
Yepi te …pe…
yepi te …pe…
In the case of those who declare that suffering arises by chance, not made by oneself or another, that’s also conditioned by contact.
yepi te samaṇabrāhmaṇā asayaṅkāraṁ aparaṅkāraṁ adhiccasamuppannaṁ dukkhaṁ paññapenti tadapi phassapaccayā.
In the case of those ascetics and brahmins who declare that suffering is made by oneself, it’s impossible that they will experience that without contact. …
Tatra, upavāṇa, ye te samaṇabrāhmaṇā sayaṅkataṁ dukkhaṁ paññapenti, te vata aññatra phassā paṭisaṁvedissantīti netaṁ ṭhānaṁ vijjati.
Yepi te …pe…
yepi te …pe…
In the case of those who declare that suffering arises by chance, not made by oneself or another, it’s impossible that they will experience that without contact.”
yepi te samaṇabrāhmaṇā asayaṅkāraṁ aparaṅkāraṁ adhiccasamuppannaṁ dukkhaṁ paññapenti, te vata aññatra phassā paṭisaṁvedissantīti netaṁ ṭhānaṁ vijjatī”ti.