Is There a ‘Self’? > Sensory Experience - Basis of Buddha’s Worldview > Sakkāya Diṭṭhi in Terms of Attā or “Self” or “Ātma”

October 26, 2019; revised November 1, 2019; October 9, 2022

Summary of Chachakka Sutta Up to This Point

1. The Chachakka Sutta (MN 148) describes in detail what happens when a new ārammaṇa (thought object) comes to the mind. The mind may “attach” (taṇhā) to that ārammaṇa via greed, anger, or ignorance. Let us briefly summarize those steps. All relevant posts are at, “Origin of Life.”

▪First, depending on the specific internal āyatana involved, one of six vipāka viññāṇa arises. Those are cakkhu, sota, ghāna, jivhā, kāya, or mano viññāṇa. Such a viññāṇa does not create kammic energy. It is just “seeing,” “hearing,” “smelling,” “tasting,” “touching,” or “recalling a memory or an idea.”

▪Then the mind “makes contact” with “saŋ gati.” If one has gati to attach to that ārammaṇa via greed, anger, or ignorance, then the mind GENERATES corresponding somanassa, domanassa, or upekkhā vedanā. They are samphassa-jā-vedanā or mind-made vedanā.

▪The mind “attaches” to that ārammaṇa if such a “mind-made” vedanā arises. One can attach (taṇhā) via greed, hate, or ignorance.

▪The keyword ārammaṇa was introduced in the post, “Vipāka Vedanā and “Samphassa jā Vedanā” in a Sensory Event.”

The Unique Situation For an Arahant

2. Only the first step happens in an Arahant. There is no attachment to any ārammaṇa. Only the experience of kāma guṇa (such as the sweetness of sugar or the bitterness of lemon) is there. See, “Kāma Guṇa – Origin of Attachment (Taṇhā).”

▪However, an Arahant would also feel sārīrika (bodily) vedanā due to injuries, sicknesses, etc. Those are dukkha, sukha, or adukkhamasukha vedanā. Note that an Arahant does not experience somanassa/domanassa vedanā (Samphassa-jā-vedanā)) based on those sārīrika (bodily) vedanā.

▪[Note (August 5, 2023): In the previous versions, I had used the term kāyika vedanā to represent vedanā felt by the physical body. However, “kāya” is used in other contexts, too, for example, as “an aggregate.” Furthermore, the following sutta specifically used sārīrika vedanā to describe the physical pain felt by the Buddha with an injury: “WebLink: suttacentral: Sakalika Sutta (SN 1.38).”]

▪Anyone other than an Arahant MIGHT attach to a particular ārammaṇa. Whether or not that attachment happens depends on the “saŋ gati.” It is not that everyone attaches to every ārammaṇa.

Deeper Aspects of the Chachakka Sutta

3. We also discussed the “deeper aspects” involved in those steps.

▪Only one of the six types of viññāṇa arises in mind at any moment due to a specific ārammaṇa. When we see, do not hear, smell, taste, touch, or think AT THAT BRIEF MOMENT. That is because only one citta vīthi focused on one sensory input can be present at any moment. Put another way, only one pasāda rūpa can contact the hadaya vatthu (seat of the mind) at a given time. The mind analyzes that sensory contact with four citta vīthi JUST FOCUSED ON that particular sensory input.

▪For example, when the mind analyzes a “packet of sound,” it focuses on that sound. The mind DOES NOT and CANNOT see, taste, smell, etc. during that brief time. Thus sensory inputs are analyzed in “packets.” Each “packet” is only one of six possible types (sight, sound, taste, smell, touch, or recall of dhammā.)

▪We analyzed that in terms of recent findings from modern science. The mind takes “snapshots” of each sensory input separated by about a hundredth of a second (10 milliseconds.) Since that happens very fast, we “feel like” we are “seeing continuously.” That is an illusion created by the mind, just like we perceive a set of snapshots as a continuous movie. See, “Vision Is a Series of “Snapshots” – Movie Analogy.”

▪Not only that, but we feel that we are seeing, hearing, tasting, smelling, touching, and thinking simultaneously. But the reality is that the mind receives only one “snapshot” at a time. The mind has the astounding capability to combine “data packets” from the “six doors” without mixing them up!

What is Ghana Saññā?

4. The fast mind gives the illusion that there is a “person” or a “self” or an “attā” experiencing those sensory events. That incorrect perception is “ghana saññā” or a “perception of solidity.”

▪I had not used the term “ghana saññā” previously. It is a word that describes the illusion that the mind creates by taking a series of “snapshots” and linking them together to provide a “continuous sensory experience.”

▪As we discussed, that happens when we watch a movie too. The illusion of continuous motion results in the projection of a series of “static pictures.” See, “Vision Is a Series of “Snapshots” – Movie Analogy.”

5. Any sensory event is just a brief “snapshot.” It lasts a brief moment and goes to the past. That is the critical point to understand. Bāhiya understood that point instantly and attained Arahanthood. But he had cultivated the path almost to the end and needed a “little push” to get there. We discussed that in the previous post, “Chachakka Sutta – Six Types of Vipāka Viññāṇa.”

▪The mind has the astounding capability to recall preceding “snapshots,” and to put it all together to present a “continuous sensory experience.” That is why the Buddha called viññāṇa a magician.

6. We also have a “ghana saññā” about our physical body. We perceive our bodies as solid, but as I have explained in a previous post, our bodies are “mostly empty.” That is because those atoms and molecules which make up our bodies are mostly empty. see, #7 – #10 of the post, “Mystical Phenomena in Buddhism?.”

▪I keep summarizing the discussion since there is a lot of material embedded in those verses. Now, let us discuss the next verse in the sutta.

Next Verse in the Chachakka Sutta – Sakkāya Samudaya

We have discussed up to the verse which ends with, “Iti mano anattā, dhammā anattā, manoviññāṇaṁ anattā, manosamphasso anattā, vedanā anattā, taṇhā anattā.” Now we are getting to the critical conclusion reached from those earlier verses.

7. The next verse in the sutta starts with, “Ayaṁ kho pana, bhikkhave, sakkāyasamudayagāminī paṭipadā—cakkhuṁ ‘etaṁ mama, esohamasmi, eso me attā’ti samanupassati; rūpe ‘etaṁ mama, esohamasmi, eso me attā’ti samanupassati; …”

▪Sakkāya here refers to sakkāya diṭṭhi. Samudaya (“saŋ” + “udaya”) means “arising (due to) saŋ.” Gāmini means “path.” Patipada means an “action plan” or simply one’s behavior. Thus, sakkāyasamudayagāminī paṭipadā means, “the behavior that leads to the arising of sakkāya diṭṭhi.”

▪Then it says, sakkāya diṭṭhi arises because one believes that “cakkhu is mine, cakkhu is what I am, cakkhu is my “self.”

▪The sutta then repeats that for all other five entities associated with “seeing.” They are rūpa, cakkhu viññāṇa, cakkhu samphassa, cakkhu samphassa-jā-vedanā, and taṇhā (that results from cakkhu samphassa-jā-vedanā.)

▪Then it is repeated for the other five internal āyatana: sota, ghāna, jivhā, kāya, mano.

Re-cap on the Initial Sensory Experience Due to Kamma Vipāka

8. All our discussions on the first half of the sutta led to the CRITICAL conclusion in the above verse. In simple terms, “there is no EXPERIENCER” experiencing those initial sensory inputs. As we remember, those INITIAL sensory inputs come in as kamma vipāka.

▪Let me emphasize this point. Any sensory experience starts without direct initiation by the “experiencer.” For example, one FIRST sees an object via “cakkhuñca paṭicca rūpe ca uppajjati cakkhuviññāṇaṁ.” But that does not happen by chance. It is ALWAYS a kamma vipāka.

▪A kamma vipāka experienced through the physical body (kāya) can be comforting (sukha), painful (dukkha), or neutral (adukkhamasukha). For example, one gets to lie on a comfortable bed due to a good kamma done in the past. A bad kamma done in the past leads to an injury. Both happen via “kāyañca paṭicca phoṭṭhabbe ca uppajjati kāyaviññāṇaṁ.”

9. All other INITIAL sensory EXPERIENCES START with adukkhamasukha vedanā. We see, hear, smell, taste, or a thought comes to the mind. The last one is, “manañca paṭicca dhamme ca uppajjati manoviññāṇaṁ.” All those generate adukkhamasukha vedanā (neutral feeling).

▪However, based on all six initial sensory contacts, we may instantly generate somanassa or domanassa vedanā due to kāma guṇa. For example, it is natural for a human (including Arahants) to experience an appealing taste when tasting sugar or seeing an attractive person.

▪Based on those are “mind-made” feelings or “samphassa-jā-vedanā.” They are different from dukkha/sukha vedanā associated with sensory contacts with the body (kāya.)

▪Now, based on such somanassa or domanassa vedanā due to kāma guṇa, an average human MAY generate samphassa-jā-vedanā. That will happen IF the mind “get stuck” (taṇhā) on that sensory input. Of course, an Arahant WILL NOT generate those samphassa-jā-vedanā.

▪That was discussed in, “Kāma Guṇa – Origin of Attachment (Taṇhā).”

Taṇhā Leads to Upādāna via Paṭicca Samuppāda

10. That is a critical step in Paṭicca Samuppāda, not discussed in the Chachakka Sutta. That sutta explains only the KAMMA VIPĀKA stage. That step of “taṇhā paccayā upādāna” starts the “new kamma GENERATION” process.

▪I hope you can see that ALL of our kamma generation activities start when a new ārammaṇa comes to mind. That starts with the “salāyatana paccayā phasso” step in the Paṭicca Samuppāda cycle. It is the “taṇhā paccayā upādāna” step that starts a new Paṭicca Samuppāda cycle with “avijjā paccayā saṅkhāra.”

▪That is a CRITICAL point. I will take the time to explain this “taṇhā paccayā upādāna” step. That way, one can get insights into how Paṭicca Samuppāda operates. Then one can begin to get an idea of the importance of understanding key concepts of Buddha Dhamma.

A New Paṭicca Samuppāda Process Starts Only if One Starts Acting with Avijjā

11. Next, The Chachakka Sutta states the REASONS why a given person may START to going through the kamma generation stage starting with avijjā. See, “Chachakka Sutta – Six Types of Vipāka Viññāṇa.”

▪One would pursue a given ārammaṇa (the sight, sound, etc.) ONLY IF one perceives that it is worthwhile or beneficial to him or her. That perception comes from the wrong view that those sensory experiences are one’s own. As we discussed, that wrong view is sakkāya diṭṭhi.

▪One with sakkāya diṭṭhi does not realize that those experiences are just results of causes from the past. That they are kamma vipāka. Then one tries to get control of the situation by either trying to maintain a “good experience” or avoid a “bad experience.” Therefore, it is POSSIBLE for ANYONE with sakkāya diṭṭhi to go through the “taṇhā paccayā upādāna” step.

▪However, a Sotāpanna (who has removed sakkāya diṭṭhi) may still do immoral deeds. A Sotāpanna would NOT do apāyagāmī deeds. But he/she may still do less-strong immoral deeds. That is because a Sotāpanna still has wrong perceptions (viparita saññā.) At the Arahant stage, one would have removed both wrong views and perceptions. I will explain this in a future post after concluding the discussion on the Chachakka Sutta.

12. However, not everyone with sakkāya diṭṭhi will go through the “taṇhā paccayā upādāna” step. Different people “attach” to different types of ārammaṇa.

▪For example, if a beautiful woman starts working at a workplace, everyone will see her as beautiful. But only a few will get “attached” and start thinking about asking her for a date. There could even be a person who may “fall in love head over heels” at first sight of her.

▪That is why we cannot say there is “no-self” either. Until one attains Arahanthood, there will be a “dynamic self” who gets attached to some things in this world. I say a “dynamic self” because there is no “fixed self” in the sense of a soul or a “ātma.” See “What Reincarnates? – Concept of a Lifestream.”

Attachment (Taṇhā) Can Happen Due to Greed, Anger, or Ignorance

13. In the above example, we discussed getting attached to the sight of a beautiful woman. But as we have discussed, one can “attach” to a ārammaṇa via anger or ignorance.

▪Seeing an enemy, one will instantly generate anger in mind via the steps in the Chachakka Sutta. Here, the samphassa-jā-vedanā generated is a domanassa vedanā. It is a stressful vedanā. But still one “attaches” to that ārammaṇa, and will start making bad vacī saṅkhāra (i.e., conscious thoughts of anger) in mind.

▪On the other hand, the samphassa-jā-vedanā generated in the example discussed in #12 above (upon seeing a beautiful woman) is a somanassa vedanā. That person is “attached” via greed.

▪In some situations, there could be confusion on how to respond to a ārammaṇa and still get “stuck.” That is due to avijjā.

Taṇhā Leads to Upādāna Depending on One’s Level of Avijjā

14. Having one or more of the following views leads to sakkāya diṭṭhi.

▪The physical body (kāya) is mine, it is what I am, and it is my “self.” Furthermore, all associated bodily functions are mine; they are what I am and my “self.” Those are: seeing or cakkhu, hearing or sota, tasting or jivhā, smelling or ghāna, touching or kāya, and thinking or mana. See #6 above.

▪Then one also tends to associate some external rūpa the same way. Those are rūpa rūpa (or vaṇṇa rūpa or simply rūpa), sadda rūpa, gandha rūpa, rasa rūpa, phoṭṭhabba rūpa, and dhamma rūpa or dhammā. For example, “this is my house; my song; this is my cake; my favorite scent; my comfy bed; these are my thoughts.”

▪One may also perceive that all of one’s mental aspects (cakkhu viññāṇa, cakkhu samphassa, cakkhu samphassa-jā-vedanā, and taṇhā) are all one’s “self.” Of course, the same with other mental aspects associated with other sense faculties. There are 36 (6 X 6) such entities that the sutta lists. See, “Chachakka Sutta – Six Types of Vipāka Viññāṇa.”

Pañcupādānakkhandhā as Sakkāya Diṭṭhi

15. Those 36 entities are also known as “pañcupādānakkhandhā.” Here, Pañcupādānakkhandhā comes from “pañca” + “upādāna” + “khandha” or the five aggregates, to which one gets attached. See “Chachakka Sutta – Six Types of Vipāka Viññāṇa.”

▪If you carefully look at those 36 entities, they include rūpakkhandha, vedanākkhandha, saññākkhandha, saṅkhārakkhandha, and the viññāṇakkhandha. However, one does not consider all of those to be “mine.” For example, out of all the houses in this world, one may claim to own one or a few homes. Out of all humans, one may have a set of people that one considers “mine.” For example, my parents, wife, children, friends, etc.

▪Therefore, only a tiny fraction of the pañcakkhandha one has “attachments to.” Those attachments can vary from very strong (my body is the strongest) to decreasing levels for friends, neighbors, etc.

▪Thus, pañcupādānakkhandhā is a small fraction of the pañcakkhandha.

▪The “WebLink: suttacentral: Sakkāyapañhā Sutta (SN 38.15)” DEFINES sakkāya as pañcupādānakkhandhā: “‘Sakkāyo, sakkāyo’ti, āvuso sāriputta, vuccati. Katamo nu kho, āvuso, sakkāyo”ti? “Pañcime, āvuso, upādānakkhandhā sakkāyo vutto bhagavatā, seyyathidaṁ—rūpupādānakkhandho, vedanupādānakkhandho, saññupādānakkhandho, saṅkhārupādānakkhandho, viññāṇupādānakkhandho. Ime kho, āvuso, pañcupādānakkhandhā sakkāyo vutto bhagavatā”ti.

Other Ways of Describing Sakkāya Diṭṭhi

16. It is possible to describe sakkāya diṭṭhi in somewhat different ways. However, all of those are inter-consistent. The following posts discuss some of those. Please let me know if you find any inconsistencies (lal@puredhamma.net) or we can discuss it at the discussion forum.

▪Sakkāya Diṭṭhi is Personality (Me) View?

▪Sakkāya Diṭṭhi and Tilakkhaṇa

▪Sakkāya Diṭṭhi – Getting Rid of Deeper Wrong Views

Wrong Views of Nicca and Sukha Lead to the Wrong View of Attā

17. One gets attached to things one perceives to be nicca and sukha. Nicca (pronounced “nichcha”) means we believe we can keep them in the way we want or like. Sukha means we think we will be happy by getting “ownership” of them.

▪Then one takes “ownership” of them. One considers those to be “one’s own” or “attā.” That attachment can vary from very strong to less intense. One’s own body and mental qualities (vedanā, saññā, saṅkhāra, viññāṇa regarding one’s own body) give the strongest sense of attā.

▪Then comes one’s spouse, children, house, cars, etc., relatives and friends, etc.

▪Therefore, the hardest thing to remove is the sense of attā about one’s body.

▪IT CANNOT be removed by willpower. It comes only from understanding this world’s anicca, dukkha, and anatta nature. What we discussed up to now plays a significant role in that understanding. There is no “experiencer.” A sensory input comes in as a result (kāma vipāka) of a previous cause (kamma.)